Oh boy. It's quite a mess. It's oddly stilted and mostly unfunny. The packed pre-screening crowd started excited and quickly became silent for most of the film. It's ALMOST worth seeing for the terrific last half hour, however which seems to be the sole thing the filmmakers were enthused about.
There are a number of in-jokes for fans who are exactly the people that will hate it most.
There are a number of in-jokes for fans who are exactly the people that will hate it most.
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Tue, April 26, 2005 - 4:33 PMOf course you realize that now you'll be subject to the bitter natterings of slavering fans who can't accept that the movie will be anything less than perfection. Me, I just sincerely hope that you (and MJ Simpson) are wrong. -
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 10:52 AMI saw it last night, and i will have a post about it on my site (www.easilyamusing.com) soon, but... here's an interview on /. from the producer:
interviews.slashdot.org/interv...9.shtml
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 11:01 AMThe last section of the movie, which I did like, does support the environmentalist contention. I just wanted the first hour to be funnier. Did your audience laugh? Mine was like a morgue. -
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Thu, April 28, 2005 - 11:16 AMyeah, there was a good bit of laughter... i also went with 3 people that hadn't read the book, so, that might have helped, hehe
i was however, the only person who giggled when they showed the original marvin robot, hehehe
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Thu, April 28, 2005 - 12:05 PMHey now... morgues can be an endless supply of slapstick entertainment...
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Sat, April 30, 2005 - 3:40 PMI enjoyed it, though I went in not expecting much.
I fully enjoyed the fruits of a higher budget than the old movie, the effects were great (Magrathea rocked! the infinte improbibility was kinda cool, Heart of Gold was nice) - I think it kept the spirit well, though I was not happy with the way they did Zaphod's other head. However, I adore Alan Rickman and was happy to hear him as Marvin, the guy who did Slartibartfast was excellent (have seen him in other stuff) and both Ford and Arthur were great. They added some stuff and took some other stuff out, but in all, not as terrible as it could have been, and I will rent the DVD to get at the special features. It was a nice touch to see the old marvin in line, oh yes, and the Vogons were amusing.
Oh, and I wasn't really happy with how they hooked Arthur and Trillian up....
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Sat, April 30, 2005 - 5:43 PM"Oh, and I wasn't really happy with how they hooked Arthur and Trillian up.... " same here.
just got back,i liked it visually,except for the chintzy looking stuff on humma what's-his-names planet.
i wish they had gotten Terry Gilliam to direct.
got as few chuckles out of the audience,less from me.
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Sat, April 30, 2005 - 10:40 PMI saw it last night - although i missed the first few moments of it, which sucks. I walked in when they were just leaving the pub - so i suspect i didn't miss much.
I enjoyed it, but as many, I did have some problems with it.
The love stuff really wasn't needed at all and just seems odd because Arthur and Trillian really didn't know each other well while on earth, so it just felt forced.
I was also kinda bummed with not just how many good lines got dropped and very non-funy ones got put in place, but aos by the pace and delivery of many of the lines.
It almost felt as if the actors and director didn't know what lines where funny. In fact the only people who seemed to get their delivery right were Stephen Fry and Bill Nighy.
If I may nit-pick as a mostly life-long fan will, parts like when Ford and Arthur were about to be sucked out of the air lock into deep space were mostly devoid of the great lines that exist in all the other formats of the story - like
('You know,' said Arthur, 'It's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.'
'Why, what did she tell you?'
'I don't know, I didn't listen.')
Yet in the part of the movie there were throw-away line and silent pauses of nothing!
So I dunno. It was visually realized quite well, but a bit too much hollywood crept in there. Like Zaphod punching Arthur shortly after they meet. Lets toss in some violence!
I think the saddest part is it won't really turn many new people on to the books, becasue it doesn't have enough of the DNA charm to win new converts.
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Sun, May 1, 2005 - 10:49 AM
Sponge, one thing you DID miss by arriving when you did, was the missing of one of my favorite lines....well sort of.
Ford saying "Drink up, the world's about to end." they decided for whatever inexplicable reason that it needed to be cut to just, "Drink up" and only once at that.
I also think they should have drawn the bit about Slartibartfast's name out more (not had him give it up till later) the way it is, I didn't get the sense that he was really ashamed of his name, which he is supposed to be.
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Sun, May 1, 2005 - 11:33 AM"Like Zaphod punching Arthur shortly after they meet. Lets toss in some violence!"
That was the one thing that really did bother me about the movie. In adding the Trillian/Arthur/Zaphod love triangle, they made Zaphod into this threatening bully... Zaphod was always condescending to Arthur (calling him monkeyman, semi-evolved simian, etc...), but seeing him beat up Arthur and threaten to tear his throat out if he kept talking to Trillian was a bit... I dunno... it bugged me. I was actually relieved when Humma removed the second head; I tended to think the second personality was mean-spirited, distracting, terribly unfunny and pretty much the one thing in the film that insurmountedly didn't work for me.
Because I really the film otherwise... I could see how other fans could dislike it, but on the whole I'd give it a 'B'.
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Sun, May 1, 2005 - 10:56 AMSo am I right in assuming that was the original audio for the very beginning with the dolphins?
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Sun, May 1, 2005 - 4:13 PMI appreciated the film for what it was... but it wasn't good.
I thought Arthur and Ford were both VERY poorly acted and written.
They are the HEART of the book!! And there was none of the real dry sense of humor feeling. For me, HHG2TG was all about RESIGNATION. Sort of "Ah, well, here's the universe in all its zaniness again."
And the Arthur/Ford relationship is supposed to give a bridge for the reader/viewer to experience a taste of that resignation that Marvin, Ford, the Vogons... well, EVERYBODY feels about their existence.
Arthur nor Ford never had a sardonic smile the whole movie. Trillian was just a big distraction from EVERYTHING and don't get me started on Zephod. In the book he felt much more like... well, just so DIFFERENT from THAT. I guess in the book I always felt like he WASN'T good looking, he was just sort of a bumbler who got what he wanted because of his passion, not seduction.
Nothing felt ALIVE for me in the movie. It was all staged.
That being said, fx were good, vogons were neat.
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Sun, May 1, 2005 - 11:23 PMvisuals,special effects,costumes,all good.i fully agree.
characters,acting,actors,ho hum.
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Mon, May 2, 2005 - 2:14 PMI thought it was a good movie albeit quite a departure from the Guide's previous incarnations.
Most of Douglas Adams' quirky dialogue, jokes, and asides were cut although there are some that survived -- mostly delivered by Stephen Fry as the Guide's narrator.
Then they kept in some unexplained little throwaway lines that only fans will appreciate.
The atmosphere of the movie was also quite different. Less nonsensical and satirical, the humor was mixed with some Terry Gilliam-esque childlike wonder. And then there was the sincere love story that develops between Trillian and Arthur Dent.
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Mon, May 2, 2005 - 10:20 PMMy stomach, in a deperate attempt to save the occupants of the theater, burst out of my mouth and strangled the film operator. But we did get a refund -
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Tue, May 3, 2005 - 4:45 PMyarg.
so the more i think about, the more dissapointed i am with the movie.
aside from the obvious gripes we all have about the romance and missing many witty lines and conversations, i think one thing that really bugs me, is how little a part the BOOK itself played in the movie.
in the other formats/mediums, the story is sort of about the book, yet because it can't be about the book itself, it has to be told thru the people who revolve around the book.
it's almost rather odd the when you look at somethig like the TV version, how smarth they were at using animation and voice over and sort of narrator-asides, to tell the story, explain things and really do something different in the medium of TV and the usual format of story telling.
the movie really seemed to take a giant leap backwards in terms of not really trying anything new or inventive with the story telling format.
it almost seemed as if it was afraid to really let the book in much and let it BE the character it is.
oh well.
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Wed, May 4, 2005 - 10:55 AMI agree with you in that the movie is more about arthur and trillian than the book, but the book itself states that it IS about the book:
"It is also the story of a book, a book called The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy — not an Earth book, never published on Earth, and until the terrible catastrophe occurred, never seen or heard of by any Earthman."
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Wed, May 4, 2005 - 1:05 PM<<Adams was trying to make it more about the characters>>
Who were, jaded, ironic, intelligent, though passionate.
Not an urban hipster, a love sick fool, etc...
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Wed, May 4, 2005 - 1:23 PM<<<Adams was trying to make it more about the characters>>>
<< Who were, jaded, ironic, intelligent, though passionate. Not an urban hipster, a love sick fool, etc... >>
Adams exercized his prerogative as a writer and changed them to what he wanted them to be in this iteration. Fans need to suck it up and realize that he gets to define who these people are...not them.
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Wed, May 4, 2005 - 4:21 PMThe things I missed most....
The the full bodied humor and especially the SARCASM....
And it wasn't British Enough....
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Wed, May 4, 2005 - 5:55 PMAs for sucking it up ....I'm not so sure it is was what Adams wanted it to be. The film was pretty much in limbo till his death then suddenly there were no hold ups. I have some small inside info about the project and it appeared that Adams couldn't get his calls or letters returned. The executives were unhelpful, uninformed and really just seemed to want him to go away. I have seen a couple of letters he wrote regarding this and he wasn't very nice about it. As for the film I still havent worked up the courage to see the inevitable disaster, but it sounds as though my predictions about it were all too true.*sigh* I did expect it to be very different from the book. The book, radio show, TV series, computer game, they were all as different as night and day...he loved to re-invent the thing. -
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Fri, May 6, 2005 - 9:16 AMYeah I dont know. Maybe Douglas Adams and the producers of this film figured the TV series exists for those fans who want to watch a screen version that is pretty much faithful to the book.
Thus they felt free to reinvent the story.
And, like some people have said already, a lot of time has passed since Adams first penned the books and the radio plays. He was older and no doubt a different person. Chances are he was probably bored with the familiar old story and thus I could see him revising it, looking at things from a different angle, perhaps even changing the focus to the human drama between arthur dent and trillian...
I do also agree that the producers were clearly aiming at an international audience (particularly at the US audience) and thus that the movie was made far less british then the books. But then Adams was living in California before he died, huh?
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Wed, May 18, 2005 - 5:38 PM
look, the movie sucked balls while crunching them... if they can do "lord of the rings" right then there is no excuse for that mixed up piece of crap... demand the best for the best people... don't be a vogon for crissake! -
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Sat, June 18, 2005 - 2:14 PMI listened to the first broadcast of the radio series in May 1975 and was captivated. I watched the TV version with delight. I fell asleep during the movie. A classic case for keeping the author away from a screenplay, particularly when the author's life has moved on and the author is no longer the person who created the work . We all change. Books travel immaculately by comparison.
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 11:30 AMCeartinly if you never read the books then the ending leaves you perplexed.
As if the producers were waiting on box office receipts before deciding whether to continue the story of finish it as an "rode off into the sunset" deal with the standard girl by the side formula and engineered mood music.
You can feel the story slipping in places (probally because of story compression) .
I.e. when they go to get the gun,
then go off on another tanget.
Ford and arthur basically acted as if they never quite made it out of bed.
Hensons team did a wonderful job on animating the Vogons. I was really waiting for Dominar Rygel XVI to make a cameo.
The book animations, and the rendering of deep-thought were good.
I rated it mostly harmless.
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 9:07 PMI had such high hopes. Brought the towel to the show. The whole nine yards. Alas.
I agree with what's been said about the film not having enough of the Guide in it. I think that was the main problem. It took out Adams's voice.
Also, the line delivery, particularly from Ford and Arthur, took away the jokes' impact. It was frustrating! They would swallow or mumble what few punchlines were actually allowed to pass into the fianl version of the script.
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Fri, August 5, 2005 - 3:16 PMI saw this on an airplane earlier this week. Well, the first 30 minutes. That was all I could handle. IT SUCKED!! I suppose, after reading the above posts, I should have stuck it out waiting for the "good" part at the end, whatever that might be.
I think the main problem was the adaptation process. Who the hell did it and why didn't anyone kill that person? I mean, they literally cut some lines from bits but left in other lines from those bits that couldn't work without the lines that had been cut. It was retarded. Better to put in half as many COMPLETE bits than twice as many HALF bits. Time after time, I heard a line from the book recited by a character bereft of the necessary set up to give it punch. This seems like such a basic error, I can't understand how it slipped through all levels of quality control and into the final product. Why didn't any say, "Uh...this punch line doesn't work without the set up line we've cut."
Too, it seemed to me like often the characters were sleepwalking through their scenes. Like Ford and Arthur would be saying lines half-heartedly, as if embarrassed to be saying their absurd lines. Sometimes it seemed they were trying to ruin lines. When Arthur & Ford are in the Vogon ship about to be released into space, there's the part where Ford jumps to the side and says, "Wait! What's this button?!" Giving Arthur hope they won't die. When Arthur excitedly asks, "What is it?!!" Ford says, "No, just kidding. We are going to die." It's hilarious because of its sharpness. In the movie, they changed Fords lines to be something long and rambling about having found something that could save them...then, no, he didn't after all. The problem was, the revised dialogue lacked the sharpness that would allow the joke to hit.
And a lot of the time, the poor delivery by the actors -- both timing and tone -- showed they really didn't understand how the line was meant to be funny in the first place. And apparently no one else -- such as the director -- did either. I'm just so amazed at how bad stuff like this gets made. It's like a painting done by blind people... They THINK they are doing well, but they just cannot see how bad it is. Perhaps, though, the audience, too, is blind and is similarly unaware? In that case maybe ignorance is bliss and I should go get fucked up and kill some brain cells so I can laugh at crap like everyone else seems to be doing.
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Mon, August 8, 2005 - 12:47 AMMeta-4--
I agree with you entirely. Someone should have caught it. A strong director at the helm would have done the project a world of good--cured the line delivery, given the project focus, maybe even gotten a rewrite in for those half jokes.
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Wed, September 14, 2005 - 3:00 PMI COMPLETELY agree also, of course.
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